Let’s be academic here, just for fun, which I would deem fitting seeing this is a (if not the) classic academic debate. Warning: lots of lists/definitions follow. Also, I’ll begin by saying this is one of those topics where I love to discuss alterations to what I propose because I’m not seeking to be right in and of myself, I’m seeking to find what’s right. So. Let’s begin.
Science – The study of and observation of the world around us. Most physical-focused of all these terms. Science gives us and allows us to find building blocks that grow our understanding of existence, especially in the here and now.
Religion – The way most people see this term is in a sense that it serves as the header for every religion, or in other words that anything that is an option in the pile of “things to believe” or “worldview choices” that has to do with a God/god/gods is a religion. Religion is the application of your theology to your actions.
Philosophy – Man’s brain trying to think outside of itself and figure out what anything and everything could possibly mean. The art of reasoning applied to existence, its meaning, repercussions, and implications. Accounting for absolutely every possibility and integrating them into a reasonable idea or view. The search for truth/reality, or “they way things are”.
I noted that in trying to define these terms at the most basic level I could think of, I often went back and deleted phrases or ideas that seemed to overlap too much or draw too many conclusions between one and another. Needless to say, the love triangle between these three is complicated, and that there are countless theories as to how they relate. It would probably make a great book if personified.
I’d like to try something. What are each of these things to each other?
Science without Religion is unexplainable, at least when you ask “so wait… how did this happen at the beginning”. If there is no religion tied to science, sure it’s super cool, but there is then a lot of curiosity and unanswerable questions are how it came and even it’s importance. Religion adds the sparkle, the “oh” of awe in front of “oh, wow!”. For me, it also makes me feel very irrelevant. If science is just science, why am I here. What’s the point. It’s a sucky way to live, living without a purpose.
Science without Philosophy is mindless experimentation, like if a person were to conduct an experiment but then forget his procedure or not take his finding and (key word) integrate them into the rest of the findings other people have come up with. If science is the individual lego bricks, correct philosophy will tell us what to do with those legos, which pieces go where, or which ones don’t belong.
Religion without Science is merely mystical maybes. Stupidity. Pointless, wasted brain energy. Ok maybe I’m being harsh, but you get the point. Stealing a little from philosophy, if something is worth believing, it should be able to stand against critique. Science allows us to critique religion to see if it is even logical or worthwhile.
Religion without Philosophy is similar to religion w/o science. If you’re not thinking logically through what you believe theologically, what is the point?!
Philosophy without Science isn’t even explainable, because philosophy is so dependent on it. If we didn’t have science, what would we have to think about philosophically? Maybe our minds or souls, but even then, those things exist inside of (not dependent on, but inside of) the physical world (for now, and that’s all we’ve ever known), so that would be a little harder to examine in our current state. Plus, we need to know something about how our brains work in order to make sure they are even capable of logical thought.
Philosophy without Religion is SCARY. Philosophy asks unanswerable questions. And though they are still unanswerable, with the introduction of a correct theology (i.e. religion) the heart-pounding anxiety that the unknowable smothers us with gives a pocket of air and peace to subside some tension. Religion also make philosophy worthwhile. Whats the point of thinking through existence (or existence at all) if there is no meaning to any of it? Religion adds the meaning.
That was the meat. Now for the proposed questions.
Take the Great Commission, found in Matthew 28:18-20, “Then Jesus came to them and said, ‘All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.’ ” Do philosophy and science support or work against this command? I would argue they (most definitely philosophy) actually supports this commissioning! Here’s why. Specifically of philosophy at its core is seeking truth. It is not defining truth, but instead is the method of finding it and sifting out the non-truth. The Great Commission has a taboo attached to it, when in reality it is purely sharing what one believes to be truth about God in an authentic, respectful, personal way. It is presenting a philosophical option. It would be the same as if my manager asked me to tell another employee that the daily sale today is 75% off all jeans. The truth is that today all jeans are 75%. Why should I be afraid to tell my fellow employee that all jeans are 75% off! On the science side of things, the relationship is less explicit to me. If there are any thoughts as to how science supports the Great Commission or how either philosophy or science work against it, let me know! Please!
“Consider the dangers of de-intellectualizing Christianity, of divorcing it entirely from the deductive or empirical realms of academia.” UGH. Remember that time I ranted? Yeah, well mini rant. WHY OH WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO EVEN CONSIDER BELIEVING IN, LET ALONE PUTTING THEIR ETERNAL FAITH AND LIFE IN THE HANDS OF A WORLDVIEW THAT IS NOT REMOTELY LOGICAL. Logic and reason and organization and systematic thinking/planning/acting is they way God works, and the way we are supposed to work as his image bearers!! He created everything with order, and there is a “why” and “how” for everything he created. I just don’t get it. I want to be logical in how I think, because logic brings us closer to the truth. I thought this might be interesting, and it has some great verses incorporated into it. It’s a question-answer site, so hopefully the current top responses will stay for a while.
And those links included in the prompt?
Ok haha this one (The Intersection of Science and Religion by Neil deGrasse Tyson) made me smile, while also tilting my head. Just some things:
- Are YOU ready to take EVERYTHING into account when trying to explain the physical, scientific world around you? Because there is something beyond the physical, and that is easily proven by the fact that there is not tangible substance called “life” or “the mind”. When a person dies, nothing leaves them. They (their mind, their soul, their them) is just gone. Take in everything.
- Life will always be in conflict. Regardless. Tell me when it’s not. You will always be unsure of something. I understand what he’s trying to say, but.
- Yes, science is a means of learning about nature (the nature that God created).
- Does “the Bible defining nature” limit something? How? I think it broadens our scope of discovery by accounting for all that the physical world is and is not.
- Innovations are still definitely possible if logical faith is taken into account.
- I want to know his story.
The Quentin Smith video (or the part I got to watch) bothered me slightly because I just want to ask, “So what about the beginning?”. I’ll maybe end up watching it all later.